Dr. Megan Speciale interviews Dr. Margaret Nichols about her clinical experiences working with the kink/BDSM (bondage/discipline, Dominance/submission, and sadomasochism) community. For more on Margie, links from the conversation and the APA citation for this episode visit the show notes on our website. The Thoughtful Counselor is created in partnership with Palo Alto University’s division of Continuing & Professional Studies. Learn more at paloaltou.edu/concept.