In this episode, Dr. Jessica Tyler talks with Dr. Darius Green about undue police violence (UPV) and the mental health impact on our clients. We discuss the concepts of police legitimacy, UPV, and Dr. Green’s article, Undue Police Violence Toward African Americans: An Analysis of Professional Counselors’ Training and Perceptions, published in the Journal of Counseling & Development with his co-author, Dr. Amanda Evans. This episode is for counselors exploring their attitudes and beliefs on topics associated with UPV and counselors interested in actionable steps, training considerations, and barriers to social justice advocacy.   For more on Darius, links from the conversation, and APA citation for this episode visit https://concept.paloaltou.edu/resources/the-thoughtful-counselor-podcast  The Thoughtful Counselor is created in partnership with Palo Alto University’s Division of Continuing & Professional Studies. Learn more at concept.paloaltou.edu