Mike interviews Ben Lovejoy, a creative director based in Boulder, Colorado. Recorded in Mike's studio in Boulder on January 30, 2019. Subjects include: growing up in Massachusetts, breakdancing, skateboarding, leaving high school early, working as a janitor, Innerskate 91, skate camp, the New England Hardcore scene, “friendship books”, Dave Schrieber, Tommy Guerrero and Jim Thiebaud, moving to San Francisco, screen printing skateboards, Ron Allen, Keith Hufnagel, Think Skateboards, Fausto Vitello, Craig Stecyk, EMB, House music, SF City College, photography, service bureaus.