Kevin Kelly believes that we overestimate the effects of technology in the moment, but vastly underestimate their effects in the long term. Whenever we create anything, we join a vast lineage of makers and thinkers and doers, from the first cave painter to the designers of virtual technology. Kevin Kelly is a visionary idea man and technologist. He is a co-founder of Wired and also of the influential Hackers Conference. He is the editor and publisher of the website Cool Tools, which gets half a million unique visitors per month. He is a prolific author - in particular, his classic book Out of Control set our understanding of emergent technology - editor, and unorthodox thinker. His journalism has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Time, Harpers, GQ, and Esquire. In our talk we discuss: * VR - how it can enable genius to be let out * work habits. Being highly protective of mornings & the art of saying no. * photography - Kevin loves photography and in fact, is working on a book and much much more. Enjoy! This episode first appeared on CreativeLive as part of the 30 Days of Genius series. Show notes and links for this episode can be found at www.chasejarvis.com/podcast. This podcast is brought to you by CreativeLive. CreativeLive is the world's largest hub for online creative education in photo/video, art/design, music/audio, craft/maker and the ability to make a living in any of those disciplines. They are high quality, highly curated classes taught by the world’s top experts -- Pulitzer, Oscar, Grammy Award winners, New York Times best selling authors and the best entrepreneurs of our times.