As one of the many states without a unified system of Public Defense, the consistency of Public Defense and access to legal services from county to county is wildly inconsistent. Joining Hunter to speak about this justice by geography model is Larry Jefferson, Director of the Office of Public Defense. Despite the name, Larry and his office only hold limited ability to direct and assist in the delivery of Public Defense across Washington. Nonetheless, Larry has dreams of a completely different model for justice that he hopes his office can help lead the state towards.   Guests: Larry Jefferson Jr., Director, Washington Office of Public Defense, Resources: Washington OPD https://opd.wa.gov/ State v Blake https://law.justia.com/cases/washington/supreme-court/2021/96873-0.html Email Larry larry.jefferson@opd.wa.gov   Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com  Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter                                                                 @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com  Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN