Today, Hunter is once again joined by former NACDL President, Martin Sabelli. This time, Hunte and Martin are discussing a memo he put out while President about the Ahmaud Arbery murder trial. In that trial, Martin felt that the defense counsel improperly used racism as a tactic in their defense. Martin put out the memo because he felt that those in the criminal defense community, those who fight against systems of racism aught not use the tools of the very system that actively incarcerates so many of their clients. As such, today’s episode is all about figuring out where the line is between individual advocacy and fighting systems of oppression.   Guests: Martín Sabelli, Former President, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers   Resources:   Link to the Memo https://www.lawyerlegion.com/associations/criminal-defense/national-nacdl/news/1162/nation-39-s-criminal-defense-bar-opposes-dehumanizing-racist-language-used-in-the-trial-of-the-killing-of-ahmaud-arbery   Follow Martin on Twitter https://twitter.com/martin_sabelli?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor   Contact Hunter Parnell:                                             Publicdefenseless@gmail.com  Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter                                                                 @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com  Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN