Dan Mall is a creative director, designer, founder, and entrepreneur. He currently runs Design System University: curriculum & community to support how you design at scale. In this episode of the podcast, Sophia and Dan ask the question, are design systems folks and OOUX folks the same folks?

LINKS:
Catch up with Dan on his website, danmall.com.
Learn more about design systems at Design System University.
Take your design career to the next level with The Self-Paced OOUX Masterclass.

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