Sam interviews Fred Wellman, veteran and host of the On Democracy podcast, former executive director of the Lincoln Project about the state of the Republican Party (and its fascist base) and the lessons from recent years of the limitations of “politics as usual.” Follow Fred at @FPWellman and read his writings at fpwellman.substack.com.
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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

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