Ruth Ben-Ghiat, professor of history at New York University and the author of Strongmen: From Mussolini to the Present talks with Sam Goldman about the continuing effects of Trump's lies and how the entire GOP has changed in the aftermath of the Trump years and Jan 6th coup attempt. Sign up for her new newsletter "Lucid," follow her on Twitter at @RuthBenGhiat, and check out her website ruthbenghiat.com.
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