In this episode, A'ndre and Ryan talk with Admiral (Ret.) Mike Rogers about the cyber aspects of Russia's war against Ukraine.  Admiral Rogers, who served as  NSA Director and CYBERCOM Commander (2014-2018), breaks down Russia's cyber capabilities, how Ukraine can defend itself, and the potential implications of NATO involvement in cyberspace. Admiral Rogers points to Russia's NotPetya cyberattack that crippled Ukraine in 2017 as a baseline to understand what we may see. He also discusses vulnerabilities both within Ukraine and the United States and delves into the importance of information operations during the present conflict.