In this episode, Ryan is joined by former ODNI General Counsel Jason Klitenic. Jason begins by providing an overview of his career, noting why he joined the US government and what is was like working to stand up DHS after 9/11. He then discusses the structure of the ODNI and how the interagency process works in practice. Jason, who served as a senior official and counsel to the DNI, talks about what it was like to work as the top lawyer for the IC as well as the classification and declassification processes, clearances, and oversight. The conversation concludes with Jason's thoughts about intelligence sharing, civil liberties, and emerging threats.