In May 2018, Urologist Dr Daron Smith of University College Hospital, London, wrote an impassioned open letter to announce that he was stepping down as an educational supervisor in urology, due to his frustration with the burdensome administrative tools embedded in the UK surgical training system. His message resonated with many. This month, a new curriculum and training system comes into effect, with significant changes to reduce this burden. But do they go far enough?Declan and guest co-cost, Dr Sophie Riddel-Hoad, chat to Daron Smith, President of the BAUS Section of Trainees Dr Neil Harvey, and Past-President of the Association of Surgeons in Training, Dr Helen Mohan. We also hear from a selection of current trainees and trainers who voice their thoughts. Links:Daron Smith's BJUI blog 2018 Neil Harvey et al paper in J Clinical Urol (paywall) re new training assessmentsFull Urology Curriculum on ISCP website (Aug 2021)Follow our guests on TwitterDaron Smith Sophie Riddell-HoadNeil HarveyHelen MohanDeclan Murphy BSoTASiT