Dr Ashish Kamat, Professor of Urologic Onology at MD Anderson Cancer Centre joins us for a chat about the BADAS trial which he is leading. Fascinating trial to see if BCG vaccination might protect health care workers. And of course we talk bladder cancer as Ashish is a huge key opinion leader with many leadership roles in bladder cancer research and advocacy. usual hosts Declan Murphy and Renu Eapen are joined by Associate Professor Nathan Lawrentschuk from Peter Mac. Nathan is also Director of Urology at the Royal Melbourne Hospital and leads Bladder Cancer Australia.