Hello folks, thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of the Ecosystem Member podcast. You may have noticed that the run time is a little longer than normal, and that's because I simply couldn't cut a minute of the amazing chat with today's guest, Melanie Challenger.

I found Melanie through her book "How to Be Animal" and then read her other incredible book, "On Extinction". In addition to being an amazing writer, Melanie edited a new book called "Animal Dignity", and is the Vice President of the RSPCA, UK.

Links

Melanie Challenger - https://www.melaniechallenger.com

'How to Be Animal' - https://bookshop.org/a/96865/9780143134350

'On Extinction' - https://bookshop.org/a/96865/9781640094635

'Animal Dignity' - https://bookshop.org/a/96865/9781350331679

Melanie on The Ezra Klein Show - https://youtu.be/M3Wxyec3FjY?si=bkRIfc8ravPk54g_