In this episode, Lena Pehrs shares how she explores and co-creates change management solutions with her clients with visuals.Sponsored by ConceptsThis episode of the Sketchnote Army Podcast is brought to you by Concepts, a perfect tool for sketchnoting, available on iOS, Windows, and Android.Concepts' vector-based drawing feature gives you the power to adjust your drawings saving hours and hours of rework.Vectors provide clean, crisp, high-resolution output for your sketchnotes at any size you need s ideal for sketchnoting.SEARCH in your favorite app store to give it a try.Running OrderIntroWelcomeWho is LenaOrigin StoryLena’s current workSponsor: ConceptsTipsToolsWhere to find LenaOutroLinksAmazon affiliate links support the Sketchnote Army Podcast. WebsiteLinkedInDario PaniaguaDave GrayArt Thinking by Amy WhitakerMike Rohde's YouTube channelToolsAmazon affiliate links support the Sketchnote Army Podcast.Neuland pens and paperNeuland fine tip markersPost-it notesPilot fountain pen - fine tipMoleskine NotebookiPad ProApple PencilMicrosoft Surface ProSketchbook appMicrosoft PowerPointAdobe FrescoProcreateTipsExplore metaphors by taking creative or poetry classes.Get good structure in your drawing.Try and change format.Have some fun.Play with children. Draw with them.CreditsProducer: Alec Pulianas Shownotes and transcripts: Esther Odoro Theme music: Jon SchiedermayerSubscribe to the Sketchnote Army PodcastYou can subscribe to the podcast through iTunes, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, YouTube or your favorite podcast listening source.Support the PodcastTo support the creation, production and hosting of the Sketchnote Army Podcast, buy one of Mike Rohde’s bestselling books. Use code ROHDE40 at Peachpit.com for 40% off!Episode TranscriptMike Rohde: Hey everyone, it's Mike and I'm here with Lena Pehrs. Lena, great to have you on the show.Lena Pehrs: Thank you, Mike. Very excited to be here.MR: I'm excited to have you because I've been following and chatting with you on LinkedIn for, I don't know, about two years or something like that, a year and a half, something like that.LP: Yeah.MR: And we have been having a good discussion, and I just thought you're just a great person to have on the show. So here we are.LP: Thank you.MR: I'd love to hear more about what you do and how you think about visualization in your context and the people that you work with. So, let's begin first by you telling us who you are and what you do.LP: Well, I'm a management consultant. And I live in Stockholm, Sweden. Well, I do what normal management consultants do, but I do it with a lot of visual thinking and visualization.MR: Great. So is that your secret superpower for your clients, would you say?LP: Yeah, I think so. And I think that the analysis is really the image, so it works together that when you start thinking with visual thinking, you start to analyzing things in a different way. you start to see the world in a slightly different way. And I think it's really a means of getting better understanding and cooperation towards the goals you want to achieve. So it's really fundamental for change. Yeah, that is the secret sauce.MR: I assume that you probably work on some paper or whiteboards or something like that. Is that the typical tool that you use with your clients? Or are you using iPad? What is the tool that you would use to help them and guide them?LP: That would be a mix. I really prefer what happens in the room when you co-create together. And then I think that big white papers on the walls and pens, and like this tactile thing as well, really helps because for me it's important that the image, this visualization, it's not mine, it's the client's. So I really need their buy-in. It should be their pictures, their thoughts, their visual thinking really. So when you do it on paper, that really helps.I always know that when two clients are standing in front of the wall and discuss, "Okay, this is the problem and this is how we're going to s