Jason Elam, grateful husband, author, proud dad of four amazing kids, host of the Messy Spirituality Podcast, and former church pastor, is our guest this week.  Although he is deconstructing from toxic religion, he is still enamored by Jesus. Our time with Jason was refreshing and empowering, especially in the area of deconstructing and parenting. Speaking from his very own mistakes and frustration with his own early parenting based in rigid evangelicalism, he walks us through the hard part of forgiving ourselves and repairing what's been broken in our relationships with our kids, bringing the light of hope to what can feel like a confusing or dark space. In our time with Jason, we felt like we "went to church" as he is so wise and passionate and able to communicate, but also that it was unlike any church experience we'd had before because it was also filled with humility, grace and wide open space.We laughed and listened, spoke and sighed, but mostly we unpacked the nitty gritty of this tricky and nuanced space of parenting and deconstructing.It's so so so good. Do not miss out!You can find Jason at the following:Instagram: @beingjasonelamFacebook: Jason ElamTwitter: @beingjasonelamWebsite: messyspirituality.org