Tobin chats with his friend and fellow nature lover Tyler Gaca, aka GhostHoney on social media, who has just released his first book Gentle Chaos: Poems, Tales, and Magic.They dive into the joys(?) of putting moths in your freezer, natural imagery from your youth, the relationship between religion in your childhood and ritual in your adulthood, Tyler's identity as an artist, and the road from being a Tiktok comedian to an author conveying complex emotions and memories.Follow Tobin @jewslovetrees on Instagram and Tiktok.Purchase Must Love Trees: An Unconventional Guide.Questions? Comments? ITCOTpod@gmail.com