Jay Gilligan and I begin our second kitchen conversation talking about the importance of documenting ones work and process and also our ongoing work in how to do this. We talk about the importance of listening back on conversations, youll be surprised at how much you missed.unpacking details you've read, or that emerge in a conversation, into a whole season of episodes, or a whole book.First day of juggling class at the circus school and the requirements for learning.Don't limit yourself too soon. Arrive ready to grow.The goals of a circus or art education.There's never enough time for everythin.How we change over time. The struggle to be a good father/human.Jay changing as a teacher over the decades. Are his early methods bullshit?academics and circus.Ivar Heckshcher: plant the seeds for what you want them to understand so the students will have the tools to grasp it, not necesarrily now, but when THEY are ready.Jay and I have walked far along the Way of the Showman and we keep meeting people at the beginning of their path.I really appreciate you taking the time to read this. I don't think many people do. Support the show...Now you can get t-shirts and hoodies with our wonderful logo. This is the best new way to suport the podcast project. Become a proud parader of your passion for Showmanship and our glorious Craft whilst simultanously helping to gather more followers for the Way.You'll find the store here: https://thewayoftheshowman.printdrop.com.auIf you want to help support this podcast it would be tremendous if you wrote a glowing review on iTunes or Spotify.If you want to contact me about anything, including wanting me to collaborate on one of your projects you can reach me on thewayoftheshowman@gmail.comor find out more on the Way of the Showman website.you can follow the Way of Instagram where it is, not surprisingly thewayoftheshowman.If you find it in you and you have the means to do so, you can suport the podcast financially at:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/captainfrodo