On this leg of the journey I am joined by Juggler Extraordinaire Jay Gilligan, a man who needs no further introduction amongst the practicioneers of the art of juggling. Or, perhaps to those of you who listened to episode 37 where I spoke with Jay about our collaboration. In this episode Jay and I go deeper into our process of creation and with all the themes and ideas which surrounds the creation of a show.I would say that conversations like this one is a big part of what got me through the early dark ages of the pandemic. To have an ongoing always evolving conversation about developing my Craft and refining and coming to understand my process as well as adapting it to suit fellow artists has been a glorious highlight of all the uncertainty, restrictions and lockdowns.I find conversation to be an amazing tool for myself to learn what I think. The dialectic nature of the back and forth is really fun. I hope to explore this further on this podcast, perhaps again with Jay and also perhaps with others.Links:ARE WE LIVE? Here's the Penn & Teller's brilliant Saturday Night Live appearance.Jay's show REFLEX, which is a co-creation between mysylf and him opens january 28th 2022 in New York CityYou can contact me on thewayoftheshowman@gmail.comor find out more on the Way of the Showman website.suport the podcast:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/captainfrodoSupport the show...Now you can get t-shirts and hoodies with our wonderful logo. This is the best new way to suport the podcast project. Become a proud parader of your passion for Showmanship and our glorious Craft whilst simultanously helping to gather more followers for the Way.You'll find the store here: https://thewayoftheshowman.printdrop.com.auIf you want to help support this podcast it would be tremendous if you wrote a glowing review on iTunes or Spotify.If you want to contact me about anything, including wanting me to collaborate on one of your projects you can reach me on thewayoftheshowman@gmail.comor find out more on the Way of the Showman website.you can follow the Way of Instagram where it is, not surprisingly thewayoftheshowman.If you find it in you and you have the means to do so, you can suport the podcast financially at:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/captainfrodo