Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase, returns to catch up with Nathan on everything OpenAI, Amazon-Anthropic collab, and Google Deepmind. They also discuss Perplexity, deepfakes, and software bundling vs the Roman Empire. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 - Episode Preview
(00:02:42) - Nathan's experience using Code Interpreter for a React app
00:06:09 - Zvi's perspective on Code Interpreter and other new Anthropic products
(00:010:47) - Nathan's approach of "coding by analogy" using Code Interpreter
(00:13:43) Speculation on capabilities of upcoming Google Gemini model
(00:15:42) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:17:00 )- Performance degradation issues with large context windows
(00:19:25) - Estimating the value of Anthropic products for individuals and enterprises
(00:22:50) - The disconnect between Anthropic's value and what users are willing to pay
(00:31:56) - Predicting Gemini's capabilities relative to GPT-4
00:30:13 - Rating Code Interpreter's capabilities
00:33:02 - Dealing with unintentional vs. adversarial information pollution
(00:37:53) - Using Perplexity vs. Anthropic products for search
(00:44:11) - Potential for a bundled subscription for multiple AI services
(00:46:53) - Game industry bundling of services
(00:47:39) - Challenges of getting competitors to agree to bundling
(00:54:05) - Concerns over information pollution from synthetic content
(00:56:36) - Filtering adversarial vs. unintentional bogus information
(01:02:20) - Dangers of info pollution visible in Archive dataset
(01:03:53) - Progress and challenges of audio deepfakes
(01:11:15) - Kevin Fisher’s AI Souls demo with emotional voices
(01:12:15) - Difficulty of detecting AI voices/images for a general audience
(01:14:32) - Being optimistic about defending against deepfakes
(01:21:12) - The reversal curse in language models
(01:23:20) - Possible ways to address the reversal curse
(01:46:12) - Implications of Amazon investing in Anthropic
(01:49:20) - Non-standard terms likely affected the Anthropic valuation
(01:51:13) - Survey of the AI Safety landscape

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Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg
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