A big event deserves a big guest, and we’ve got two of them to join us on the podcast as we look ahead to the first-ever Rainbow Games in New Zealand next year.

Tom Leonard is the event director – and Honey Hireme-Smiler is someone who can only described as a New Zealand sporting legend, as a league, union and sevens international who has played at more World Cups than you can shake a stick at in a sporting career that spans nearly two decades.

We talk about all sorts of different things on this episode – how the Rainbow Games came about, why it matters, the importance of sport to both Tom and Honey, why visibility matters and so, so much more.

It’s a great conversation about a brilliant new event, and we really think you’re going to like it.

WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT OUR GUESTS?:
Honey: @hunzbw
Tom: @tom_leonard13
Rainbow Games: @rainbowgames2024

WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PODCAST?:
@jack_murley
jack.murley@bbc.co.uk