We've been trying to put our finger on why we enjoyed this episode so much.

Emma Collings-Barnes is a former British Open Water Champion who competed at the European Championships, while Greg King-Limb has successfully coached swimmers at a county, regional and national level.

They are - respectively - Director of Swimming and Assistant Director of Swimming at Mount Kelly: a school in Devon with a programme that has produced scores of international swimmers, including those who have medalled at an Olympic, Paralympic, World, Commonwealth and European level.

That, on its own, is fascinating enough - but what really makes this resonate is the fact that Emma and Greg are both LGBTQ+, and feel that creating a culture of tolerance and respect with the students they coach is just as important as ensuring they get the right results in the pool.

And let's be honest - how many of us could have done with seeing exactly that kind of openness and honesty when we were at school and, perhaps, coming to terms with our own sexuality or gender identity?

So, listen to this one and enjoy it - because we really loved making it.

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