Is Integral Theory a "poisoned chalice" -- wondrously made in some regards, but poisoned from within?  Has it failed in its promise and become unusable?  Bruce and Layman sit down with Daniel Görtz, one half of the metamodern avatar, Hanzi Freinacht, to discuss both the strengths of integral theory, but also the criticisms that have driven a number of people to abandon it -- whether in rejecting it altogether, or in forming counter projects (Hanzi's Metamodernism, various Integral 2.0 efforts), or just in the gradual dispersion of the "integral diaspora."  What is the future of the integral movement?  Will it fade in influence going forward, or is its full promise still yet to come?