In this episode, we’re joined by journalist and thought-leader Ruby Warrington who recently published her fourth book, Women Without Kids: The Revolutionary Rise Of An Unsung Sisterhood. You’ve probably seen this book all over social media, but for those who are unfamiliar, Ruby’s latest book was intended to be a radical reframing of everything it means NOT to be a mom.

Instead of continuing to paint women without kids as sad, self-obsessed, or somehow dysfunctional, what if we saw them as boldly forging a first-in-a-civilization vision for a fully autonomous womankind? As Ruby says in her book: “What if being a woman without kids were in fact its own kind of legacy?”

We also read some of our favorite listener reviews and engage in a heated conversation in our Shit People Say segment about men saying “women have too many rights.” And naturally, we swoon over Internet Daddy Pedro Pascal.

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