Years into the COVID-19 pandemic, we've learned an extraordinary amount about how governments and economies can respond during prolonged global health crisis. We've also learned in this volatile world...there's a lot we don't know. In the rapidly changing reality, author Felix Salmon put forth a call for humility and optimism in his new book The Phoenix Economy: Work, Life, and Money in the New Not Normal. Salmon is back on the show this week to discuss the book and how he sees positive signs that we are quickly rebuilding from the ashes of the pandemic economy.  Felix Salmon is the Chief Financial Correspondent at Axios. Read The Phoenix Economy: Work, Life, and Money in the New Not Normal Subscribe to our Substack newsletter "The Climate Weekly" As always, follow us @climatepod on Twitter and email us at theclimatepod@gmail.com. Our music is "Gotta Get Up" by The Passion Hifi, check out his music at thepassionhifi.com. Rate, review and subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, and more! Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! Join our Facebook group.