We've been promised wide-scale driverless cars for more than a decade, but a true driverless experience still remains out of reach. It turns out that taking humans out of the loop is putting everyone on the road at risk. Host Gary Marcus talks to Cade Metz, a tech reporter for The New York Times, and Dr. Missy Cummings, former senior safety advisor to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, to explore the requirements to ensure that self-driving cars are reliable and secure for everyone.

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