What does it take for scientists and lawyers to really work with communities - and how does it change them? In the final episode of Season 1, Angela talks with Natasha Udu-gama and Jill Habig about how they set up the conditions for community relationships, making the case for personal transformation and culture change in government, academia, and the law.In Data Dialogues, we highlight two people working with environmental data and then bring them in conversation with each other. Listen to this conversation on its own or pair it with Natasha Udu-gama's conversation in Episode 16 and Jill Habig's conversation in Episode 17.You can access a transcript of this episode and Show Notes on our website and join in the conversation on Twitter @OpenEnviroData and Instagram @OpenEnviroData! Natasha Udu-gama (she/her) is the Community and International Relations Manager at Thriving Earth Exchange, an organization that brings together local leaders and scientists to create community based environmental solutions.‍Jill Habig (she/her) founded Public Rights Project, a non-profit working with communities and all levels of government to proactively support civil rights.‍Angela Eaton (she/her) is the Director of Data Inclusion at Open Environmental Data  and host of Data Dialogues.