In this episode of Climate Discourse, Kate speaks to CCLR board member Harro van Asselt. Harro is an SEI Affiliated Researcher at the SEI Oxford Centre and Professor of Climate Law and Policy at the University of Eastern Finland. In a wide-ranging discussion, Harro and Kate discuss climate change litigation, 'scholactivism', the evolution of climate law and governance and the potential for a future international agreement on fossil fuel non-proliferation.