Today Nate interviews Jacob Wolki from Wolki farms in Australia and is joined later in the episode by Geoff Long of Long Story Farms in South Carolina. They talk pasture agriculture, creative farm marketing strategies, homeschooling, and the relaxation benefits of luxuriating barefoot with cows in the shade.

Nathan Gates is a licensed psychotherapist and co-host of Altered States of Context, a podcast about psychedelics, science and psychotherapy. In addition, he serves as president of the board for the Illinois Psychedelic Society and is a board advisor for Entheo Il, a group dedicated to the successful passage of Illinois HB1, the Compassionate Use and Research of Entheogens act. He also practices regenerative ranching and writes from his family's farm in rural west-central Illinois. He is a frequent guest and guest host for the Doomer Optimism podcast, a collective podcast dedicated to promotive creative and humane ways to engage with our social and environmental problems with creativity, hope, and good stewardship.


Jacob Wolki, a passionate farmer based in Albury, NSW, is on a mission to change the modern-day dinner table. He's working hard to ensure more families have access to healthy, nutrient-dense, flavour-packed protein – because your family’s health is important.

All animals on Wolki regenerative farm are raised on pasture, free from cages and chemicals. Jacob's not only creating superior quality produce, he's improving our landscape for generations to come.

Jacob's mission takes a community effort, which is why he's spreading his message far and wide - so we can all eat better without it costing animal welfare or our environment.

Geoffrey Long of Long Story Farms
Long Story Farms is a family run farm in Newberry, South Carolina. Our story started with the pain of cancer taking loved ones. We felt food was part of the problem. That coupled with a dream of self sufficient living took us from a small backyard garden with 6 chickens to a farmstead that is growing into a true farm enterprise. Long Story Farms’ motto “with prudence and thanksgiving” encapsulates our goal to heal the earth through sustainable agriculture and to honor the lives of the animals we raise. Through eating close to the earth we believe we can heal our bodies while building community and creating a healthier relationship with food.

Geoffrey works during the day as a finance guy but farms on the weekends, assisted by his wife and capable children who all still live on the farm. He is passionate about food, building and fixing things and loves to read when he has time.