This week Dustin interviews Jay Cormier, who runs "Off the Pages Games" a board game publishing company, teaches game design, creates escape rooms and other gamification for corporate training, and has designed games like MIND MGMT: The Psychic Espionage "Game," (on Kickstarter now), Junkyard Art, Draw Your Own Conclusions, and more. In the episode, we learn about his design process for his games, corporate training, and escape rooms. Dustin is sure to ask prodding questions on how Jay's insights can relate to education. Board Gaming with Education Updates- growing online community, reviews, events - 00:22 Who is Jay Cormier? - 2:07 Jays Journey from Game Designer to Publisher - 5:39 "Draw Your Own Conclusions" and Agile Management - 7:54 Game Desing is Easy - 12:50 Corporate Training - 17:20 Last Words of Advice: Learning Outcomes - 36:15 Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down Rapid Fire Round - 37:46 If you have been around for a while now, we would love a review on iTunes: Review us here! Support our podcast! How can you support us? There are many free and paid ways to support the show. Be sure to check out our support page!  Thank you to Purple Planet Music for the wonderful contribution of their song "Retro Gamer" for our Interview Segment. This song can be found in full on this music archive. Also, thank you to Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) for his creative commons 4.0 contribution of "Getting it Done." Always be sure to check out our show notes (website blog post) to read a recap of the episode topics and games mentioned in the episode. https://www.boardgamingwitheducation.com/jay-cormier