In today’s episode, Dustin has his first two-person interview with Dr. Wictz. Dr. Wictz is a game design team that consists of Aaron Honsowetz and Austin Smokowicz. The two like to incorporate economic and political based concepts into their games. They like to focus on the accessibility of these concepts with a focus on fun and engagement. We get to learn about the history of the two collaborating with each other and their ideas on game design and what types of games they enjoy making and playing. We also get a glimpse of their creative process and what they look out for when finding potential new game ideas. Our Sponsor for this Episode is "Facing Off!" - 00:59 UNPUB- Playtesting for Game Designers - 2:06 Who is Dr. Wictz? - 7:11 Real-World Inspiration for Game Design - 11:03 Making Economics Accessible - 14:52 Starting the Design Process - 21:55 Hidden Economic Concepts in their Games - 25:42 Bringing Games into the Economics Classroom - 32:20 Students Learning through Game Design - 37:27 Last Words of Advice: Simply - 51:06 Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down Rapid Fire Round - 52:48 Thank you to Purple Planet Music for the wonderful contribution of their song "Retro Gamer" and "Soul Train" for our Interview and Sponsorship Segments. These songs can be found in full on this music archive. Also, thank you to Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) for his creative commons 4.0 contribution of "Getting it Done." Also, thank you Dallas Welk, the editor of this episode! If you have been around for a while now, we would love a review on iTunes: Review us here! Support our podcast! How can you support us? There are many free and paid ways to support the show. Be sure to check out our support page!  Always be sure to check out our show notes (website blog post) to read a recap of the episode topics and games mentioned in the episode. https://www.boardgamingwitheducation.com/drwictz