In this episode, Andy Wildman continues his conversation with Paul Cereghino, on Restoration Camping in the Salish Sea area, in the Pacific Northwest of the USA.In this second half of the conversation, they talk about how such a project is created and how it proceeds along highly uncertain lines. They talk about the limits to responsibility, about whole-systems design thinking for ecological culture creation, about the need for a toolkit for working with human systems, how we might de-institutionalise the process of restoration, and working with complexity over time to an emergent purpose. If you haven't yet heard Part 1, please check out Episode 23.