At the time of this writing, the White House just announced its intent to end the COVID-19 pandemic "state-of-emergency" designation in the months ahead. Is this a political move or one informed by science? We met with Pandefense Advisory CEO, Larry Brilliant, to learn the latest of what we do and do not know about the real threats of COVID-19 and related outbreaks. What is the history of vaccines in general? What are the criticisms of the standard narrative about CV19? Did CV19 come from the Wuhan open air market or a bio-weapons laboratory? Is there a third credible possible origin of the pathogen itself? How much do we need to worry about the next pandemic? Do lockdowns make sense? In closing, we learned how an accidental hippy stumbled into eradicating smallpox, befriended Steve Jobs and pioneered social media itself to become, "the luckiest guy on earth." Join us.