This episode starts a series of Penumbr(a)cast - The Other Scene devoted to exploring the effects of art and literature on a subject. The interview with Tim Dean, explores his work as a thinker and writer, his thoughts on the critic Leo Bersani, and his response to the poem Ozymandias, by Percy Bysshe Shelley.Special thanks to Luke Heister and Omar Brown for their editorial assistance with this episode.