In this episode, Ellen Mary is at the University of North Carolina Botanical Gardens in Charlotte with Jeff Gillman, the Director. The garden is an eclectic mix of a diverse orchid collection, lots of carnivorous plants, native plants and rhododendrons too. Their conversation is eclectic too, ranging from Fleetwood Mac to cookies made with cricket flour and silkworm soup! In the second half, Ellen Mary tries some very unusual candy flavours, before the conversation turns to hallucinogenic honey. Jeff shares his passion to connect plants with people, which is also the motto of the Botanical Gardens. He discusses the Venus Flytrap, which is native to the area - he has seen one so large that it ate a lizard!   The Plant Based Podcast:  www.theplantbasedpodcast.net Instagram Twitter Facebook