David Goodhart is one of the UK's foremost scholars of populism. His previous book The Road to Somewhere (2017) documented the profound value divides that Trump and the Brexiteers rode in 2016, between an elite of anywheres driven by self-actualization, individualism and adaptiveness to social change and a majority of communitarian patriots, the somewheres. In his latest book Head Hand Heart (2020), his inquiries have taken him one step further, into the so-called "cognitive meritocracy" that governs how our societies apportion status and self-esteem between different careers and lifepaths. Hear us discuss with him his case for a fairer balance of rewards across the occupational ladder. Rate and review Uncommon Decency on Apple Podcasts, and send us your comments or questions at @UnDecencyPod or uncommondecencypod@gmail.com.