This week, Leonora welcomes TV writer and producer, podcaster, and legitimately one of her best friends, Elizabeth Laime. Elizabeth is presently writing and co-executive producing A Million Little Things (and just won the enormously important 2022 Sentinel Award for her and Lucile Masson’s episode about abortion) and has also written on shows like I’m Sorry and The Village. She built one of the first podcast empires (before that was a thing) with her shows Totally Laime, Totally Married, Totally Mommy, and Totally Beverages and Sometimes Hot Sauce. She and her husband Andy Rosen are back with a hilarious and wonderful podcast called “Nobody’s Listening, Right?” Elizabeth and Leonora discuss friendship, what it feels like to really realize a dream, and how to persist in this industry, and Elizabeth whips out her (excellent) Eckhart Tolle impersonation.