Keith sits down with Allen Epley to discuss the history of Shiner, the recording of some of their classic LP's, life on the road, the initial end of the band, the beginning of The Life and Times, Shiner's initial reunion and their latest LP "Schadenfreude", what's next for both bands, Allen's podcast "Third Gear Scratch", performing with the Blue Man Group and more. Guest co-hosts: Josh Brigham and Adam Morgan of Hopesfall. Josh and Adam discuss the influence Shiner has had on Hopesfall, how reading the liner notes of "The Egg" led them to record "The Satellite Years" with Matt Talbott, the recent 20 year anniversary of TSY plus more.