Keith and Tommy sit down with guitar virtuoso and member of genre-defining bands Zao and Creation is Crucifixion: Scott Mellinger. We discuss Scott's discovery of the scene and some of the bands that influenced him early on. Scott also details his time in Creation is Crucifixion, the bands from which they drew inspiration the secret behind how they developed their extremely complex and unique sound. Scott also details his history in metalcore greats Zao, the trials and tribulations of the band, what they're up to now and what we can expect in the future. Finally, Keith and Tommy check in at the end to discuss the current state of the world and the show.