On this installment of our series, The Road To COP26 Presented By Octopus Energy, we talk to the Hon James Shaw, New Zealand's Minister for Climate Change, Associate Minister for the Environment (Biodiversity), MP, and Co-Leader of the Green Party. We discuss what he learned from New Zealand's pandemic response and how that should inform global discussions on climate change. We also dig into why COP25 was such a big failure, what could be the biggest obstacles at COP26, and some of the biggest considerations at the intersection of climate action and adaptation and international finance.  Listen to Minister Shaw's podcast What Comes After What Comes Next Thank you to our sponsor Octopus Energy, a 100% renewable electricity supplier. Octopus Energy is currently serving millions of homes around the globe in countries like the United Kingdom, United States, and Germany.  Subscribe to our Substack newsletter "The Climate Weekly": https://theclimateweekly.substack.com/ As always, follow us @climatepod on Twitter and email us at theclimatepod@gmail.com. Our music is "Gotta Get Up" by The Passion Hifi, check out his music at thepassionhifi.com. Rate, review and subscribe to this podcast on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, and more! Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! Join our Facebook group. Check out our updated website!