Chris and Jonathan welcome back to the show journalist Brooke Binkowski from Truth or Fiction to discuss the Joe Rogan/Spotify controversy and how we got here. The discussion includes what makes someone a journalist in 2022 and how reactionaries and extremists were early adopters of the Internet.   2:10 Addressing common accusations 3:44 The saga 5:26 The mainstreaming of falsehoods 8:21 Lack of responsibility and JAQing off 10:06 The aesthetics of masculine rationality and The X-Files 15:15 From harmless folklore to antisemitism 18:35 What makes someone a journalist 26:31 Moderating audio content 29:20 The 1988 Internet and surf Nazis 36:14 Monster Island, Galt’s Gulch, and Ram Ranch 42:13 The Spotify seal of approval and YouTube’s feeble moderation 46:08 The next five years of reactionary populism     * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.   To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.   Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out! And patrons will get a bonus segment from this interview in a week!     Links: 1) The Daily podcast on the Joe Rogan saga: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/podcasts/the-daily/joe-rogan-spotify.html 2) Jonathan’s article on Joe Rogan: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-and-nutrition-pseudoscience/science-vs-joe-rogan 3) The open letter to Spotify: https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/ 4) Aaron Rabinowitz’s article on Monster Island: https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2020/10/monster-island-free-speech-experiment/ 5) God Awful Movies’ review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1: https://www.stitcher.com/show/god-awful-movies/episode/337-atlas-shrugged-part-one-90134592 6) Truth or Fiction: https://www.truthorfiction.com/ 7) Brooke on Twitter: https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie