Jonathan and Chris speak to David Robert Grimes, physicist, cancer researcher and science writer, about 5G and why we believe things that aren’t true.   1:00 A physicist who studies biology 2:46 What is radiation? 4:16 Harm from radiation 7:02 5G 13:01 Why can’t 5G cook us? 15:51 Genuine concerns about 5G 19:26 The psychology of conspiracy theorists 23:41 Schrödinger’s bin Laden 28:00 5G and COVID and the Towering Infernos 31:16 Electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome 37:05 Talking to believers 41:05 Live. Die. Repeat. 47:12 The Irrational Ape   * Theme music: "Troll of the Mountain Swing" by the Underscore Orkestra.   To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.   Patrons get a bonus Q&A with Grimes about the antivaccine movement and COVID-19.   Links: 1) David Robert Grimes’ website: https://www.davidrobertgrimes.com/ 2) His book, The Irrational Ape: https://www.davidrobertgrimes.com/copy-of-research-papers 3) David Robert Grimes on Twitter: https://twitter.com/drg1985