In this episode, we delve into the importance of unions in the publishing industry with Zainab Juma - Mother of Chapel at Penguin Random House. We question how unionised publishing is as an industry, the affection professionals have for the industry and whether that equates to fair transaction of labour. We also address the exodus of editors leaving the industry, the strength in numbers that a union provides, and the myth that working in publishing ‘for the love of books’ is remuneration enough. Zainab JumaTwitter: @PRHUKUnionsMentioned in this episodeNational Union of Journalists: https://www.nuj.org.uk/join.html /  on Twitter: @NUJofficial & @NUJBook (for their Book branch)Unite:  https://join.unitetheunion.org/ / on Twitter: @unitetheunionPsychological barrier around the £9.99 paperback: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-chapter-publishers-paperbacks-profit-lockdown-latest-xb8z2gw5vEditors leaving the industry: https://www.thebookseller.com/news/pandemic-and-long-hours-prompt-editors-to-turn-to-agentingHosted, edited & produced by Siobhan ‘Shiv’ Humphries (SYP UK Podcast Officer)Twitter: @SYP_UKWebsite: https://thesyp.org.ukIf you have any questions about this episode, or wish to partake in the show then drop us a line at: podcast.syp@gmail.com