As a program manager at The Phoenix, Kaley Jones spends every day helping people in recovery rediscover their inherent value. She is also uniquely positioned for this role, as she celebrates more than a decade of sobriety. In this episode, Kaley talks to Ty Spells about her personal recovery journey and what it will take to reshape the national conversation around addiction. Host for this Episode: Ty SpellsGuest: Kaley Jones, The PhoenixProduced by BitterSweet CreativeExecutive Producers: Obiekwe "Obi" Okolo and Robert WinshipEditing, Engineering and Sound Design: Robert WinshipSpecial Thanks to Producers: Molly Ringel and Elgin Cato