We cross the border, whip out our passports for a stamp, and are on our merry way without a second thought. What many of us don’t consider is how chimps and gorillas in the wild can also cross country lines – and what this means for their conservation.  Luckily for the apes, there are experts taking a look at this curious conservation issue to help amplify protection efforts! Take a listen to this episode of Talking Apes with world-renowned conservationist, consultant to the UNEP Convention on Migratory Species,  Ian Redmond, OBE (formally known as "Worm Boy" thanks to Dian Fossey!) Talking Apes is the podcast that gets to the very heart of what is happening with and to apes like us. We explore the world of apes and primates with experts, conservationists, and passionate primate people from around the world. Join us as we unpack their weird and wonderful lives piece by piece. Talking Apes is made possible through generous support from listeners to nonprofit GLOBIO.org. Support the show