An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT on how therapists can navigate when clients die. We look at what to do when clients die by suicide, die based on high risk lifestyles, or long-term illnesses. We also talk about the complicated emotions that therapists face in this isolated grief. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT Debi Jenkins Frankle is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Grief Specialist and Trainer. Debi has been working with grievers for over 25 years. She and husband, Mark Frankle LMFT, are the co-founders of the Calabasas Counseling and Grief Recovery Center. Debi is the founder of Private Practice Grief Workshops and Trainings for Mental Health Professionals as well as the FB group for therapists: Private Practice Grief. Debi’s areas of expertise are grief and trauma. Debi has led trainings for grief counseling professionals throughout the United States and Canada. Debi is a past president of San Fernando Valley chapter of CAMFT, past committee co-chair of the Crisis Response Network for SFV CAMFT and a member of the Association for Death Education (ADEC). In her spare time, she plays in dirt and hangs out with dogs (and her husband too!). In this episode we talk about: How therapists can handle when a client dies by suicide Legal and logistical considerations The importance of grounding yourself and seeking out consultation with a trusted colleague The stigma leading to therapists avoiding disclosing when clients die by suicide Considerations in contacting the family of the client and how to handle the conversation The complicated emotions that therapists can face as professionals and as grievers Deciding to go to the funeral The isolated grief that therapists face How grief can be different when a client dies by something preventable, or something they caused - disenfranchised grief or discounted grief The uniqueness of the therapist’s response The different types of losses and the reactions we have to them The emotional reactions that therapists should allow in treatment (and should not allow) The importance of doing your own work regarding your own losses How therapists can defer the conversations in treatment away from the necessary grief work How to manage the rest of the caseload when you’ve experienced a personal loss or a client has died The modeling we can do for our clients What happens when your therapy dog dies and how to manage that with your clients The work we need to do to be better at working with grief overall   Our Generous Sponsors: SimplePractice Trusted by over 40,000 customers, SimplePractice creates software and services for health and wellness professionals. Its EHR empowers practices to run their businesses more efficiently, streamlining administrative tasks, enabling regulatory compliance, and improving documentation. Learn more by going to www.simplepractice.com/therapyreimagined . You can also sign up and receive a special promotion of getting 3 months of SimplePractice for the price of 1. Please note, this offer is valid for new customers only.    Become a Group Guru Learn how to fill a group in private practice without coffee dates or networking events, even if no one in your community knows your name yet and you have no idea where to start.  Free trainings and resources (like a free 5-day group jump start guide with your step-by-step plan to creating the group your ideal clients are ready to enroll in today) at www.becomeagroupguru.com.   Relevant Resources: We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy l