Friend of the show (and of Andrew personally) chef Erick Williams of Chicago's Virtue restaurant recently asked us to host a conversation between him and his father, Ricardo Isom, about an unfortunate American tradition known as "The Talk," in which Black parents tell their children how to behave in interactions with the police. Sparked by the murder of George Floyd and the protests it inspired, and shared on the week Jacob Blake was shot in the back by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, this conversation explores the experience of two Black men of two different generations.This is also a fine time to revisit our first conversation with Erick Williams.Please consider supporting Andrew Talks to Chefs via our Patreon page–pledge $10 or more per month and gain access to bonus, patron-only episodes, blog posts, polls, and more. Andrew Talks to Chefs is a fully independent podcast and no longer affiliated with our former host network; please visit and bookmark our official website for all show updates, blog posts, personal and virtual appearances, and related information.(Photo: Ricardo Isom, left, and Erick Williams, right, photographed several years ago with chef Michael Kornick.)