In this episode come with us on a journey into the land of kangaroos... only kidding we are talking about kangaroo mother care and skin-to-skin contact. You may think this is a topic you may know everything about but before you switch off I recommend listening in. Look, even Rachel learned stuff she didn't know, and she was the one in our planning meeting who said "what a whole hour on skin to skin?"! So, yes folks, here is a whole podcast on Katie's favourite topic. We find out what the bearded lady at the old-fashioned freak show has got to do with babies in the NICU. What is empty ward syndrome? The fascinating insight into the difference between a gardening chair and a sunlounger! The importance of maintaining the mother & baby's system in a state of regulation. How to advocate for prolonged skin-to-skin care, plus much more all on the "simple" topic of skin to skin! LINKS:Dr Rachel Reed website and coursesRenee Flacking researchUwe Ewald researchKangaroo Mother Care researchSupport the show