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To age or not to age, that is the question. And Lou and Chava attempt to answer it, along with mezcalero Mariano Vazquez. They also talk the proper mass of a tortilla and drink the proper mass of Michoacan mezcals.Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.comAgave Road Trip is powered by Simplecast.

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Agave Road Trip provides gringo bartenders with firsthand knowledge about heritage agave spirits from Mexico, including mezcal, raicilla, bacanora, and destilado de agave.

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Coming Soon, from HRN: Agave Road Trip: Coming soon from Heritage Radio Network: Agave Road Trip provides gringo bartenders with firsthand knowledge about heritage agave spirits from Mexico, including mezcal, raicilla, bacanora, and destilado de agave. by Agave Road Trip
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Mercado Day in Mexico - S2E9: All of the fruits and spices and flowers and herbs and meats and magic of Mexico show up in the mercados -- the markets. So you should show up there, too! What should you look for? What can you bring back? And what exactly is a clown market? All this and more in this episode of Agave Road Trip! by Agave Road Trip
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Gringo Guero - S2E3: Some folks are wondering what we mean when we say “gringo.” Here’s the deal…. by Agave Road Trip
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Fantastic Fermentation - S1E5: We give a nutshell explanation of how agave turns from sugar to alcohol and are joined on the occasion by mezcalero Amando Alvarado Alvarez. We also talk about how growing agave helped a middle school in rural Oaxaca reduce violence in their community. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Jump In! - S1E1: We introduce ourselves and the series, but mainly because we felt obligated to do it. We think it’s more fun to let that information reveal itself naturally. Though there is a nice bit about mind-blowing arroqueño and Santa Maria Sola de Vega. by Agave Road Trip
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What is Agave? - S1E2: We give a nutshell explanation of how agave turns from sugar to alcohol and are joined on the occasion by maestro mezcalero Amando Alvarado Alvarez. We also talk about how growing agave helped a middle school in rural Oaxaca reduce violence in their community. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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What’s Heritage, Anyway? - S2E5: The traditional methods of making agave spirits in Yutanduchi de Guerrero, in Oaxaca’s Mixteca region, go back to … the late 1990s? So what does “heritage” mean, in this case? by Agave Road Trip
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Bad Mezcal: It’s the cleanest spirit you can drink! It’s made from the best sugar source in the world! It’s made by hand! So … how could there possibly be such a thing as bad mezcal? Find out in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Be Still My Heart - S1E6: This is where we separate the alcohol from the water – we talk about distillation with mezcalero Jesus Franco. And traditional ceramics. And Oaxaca tour guides. And not a single poop joke. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Hasta Pronto! - S1E8: The season wrap includes Tecate I.V. drips, bartender super powers, and the value of time in rural Mexico. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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The Arnold Palmer of Pulque - S2E2: Before there was mezcal, there was pulque: the undistilled, fermented sap of the uncooked agave. If you’ve never had it, you’ll want to go find it after listening to Chava and Lou talk with master pulquero Jose Luis Dominguez Gonzalez. Or, at least, you’ll be amused by how he dismisses Lou’s choice of the Arnold Palmer of pulques. by Agave Road Trip
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How to Drink Spirits Neat - S2E7: The margarita is almost certainly Mexico’s greatest ambassador. But how do you move from drinking cocktails to drinking neat spirits? We suggest one specific journey in this episode of Agave Road Trip. by Agave Road Trip
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The Grind - S1E4: After you cook your agave, you’ve gotta mill it – make tiny, little pieces of those giant, cooked agaves. How do you do that? We explain it here and maestro mezcalero Eduardo Angeles joins. Then we talk about how to avoid explosive diarrhea while eating great street food in Mexico. And chocolate. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Another Freaking Gringo Looking for Jabali…: For hundreds of years, mezcaleros believed that you could not use maguey jabali (agave convallis) to make spirits — it foams so much, both during fermentation and distillation, that it was thought unmanageable. But a couple decades ago, someone found a strategy to manage the foaming. Now gringos go crazy looking for the rare, wild destilado de jabali! In this episode of Agave Road Trip, we speak with maestro Felix Angeles about his jabali strategy. by Agave Road Trip
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Get Roasted - S1E3: That agave won’t just start fermenting, you know. You’ve gotta make it delicious for yeast before yeast makes it delicious for you. We talk with mezcalera Catalina Navarro Sanchez about how that’s done, then talk about how mezcalero Eduardo Angeles saved Santa Catarina Minas, Oaxaca, from drought. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Heads, Hearts, and Tails: Where You Cut Matters: Most people think that when you distill a spirit, what comes out of that still goes directly into the bottle. But, in fact, different distillers make different decisions about which parts of the distillation they keep and which parts they leave out — and those decisions have a profound effect on the finished flavor. That’s what we talk about in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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What's in My Tequila? - S2E1: Some tequila bottles say they're 100% blue agave. Others don't. So ... what exactly is in those bottles? Lou and Chava speak with David Suro of Siembra Azul Tequila about mixto tequilas: what they are and how they affect the tequila industry and the people whose lives are impacted by the industry. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Did Mezcal Save Fiestas, or Did Fiestas Save Mezcal?: The religious fiestas in rural Mexico are often colored by the heritage agave spirits made in the community — which makes for an especially fun night when those festivities also include fireworks and flaming toritos. In this episode of Agave Road Trip, we ponder the question: Did mezcal save the community fiestas, or did the community fiestas save mezcal? Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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How Much Can I Bring Back? - S2E8: You’re headed to Mexico! Excited to drink agave spirits in their natural habitat! More excited to bring spirits home to share with friends! So … how much are you allowed to bring back? Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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The Mezcal with the Chicken — Pechuga!: Maybe you’ve heard stories of a weird mezcal that is made with chicken. Maybe you’ve heard that it’s tied to celebratory rituals. Maybe you’ve heard that it’s precious and rare. Maybe all of that is right and maybe all of that is wrong. Maybe you’ll get the straight answer in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Or maybe not. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Modern Bar Cart take-over: Not an actual episode of Agave Road Trip, but a cleverly disguised episode of Modern Bar Cart, Eric Kozlik’s cocktail podcast for home bartenders and industry pros alike. Erik interviews Chava and Lou and proves that they actually can talk for more than 15 minutes. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Oh, Wood You? - S1E7: To age or not to age, that is the question. And Lou and Chava attempt to answer it, along with mezcalero Mariano Vazquez. They also talk the proper mass of a tortilla and drink the proper mass of Michoacan mezcals. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Tequila vs Mezcal: The Rematch: John McEvoy wrote what has to be the first English-language book for mezcal geeks: Holy Smoke! It’s Mezcal came out in 2014. So when John sent us an email complaining that we “left out the most important part” in our “Tequila vs Mezcal” episode … well, we invited him on to try to convince him that he’s wrong. Will it work? Can we change the mind of the man who goes by Mezcal PhD? Find out in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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No Tequila is Mezcal - S2E4: Maybe someone told you that all tequila is mezcal but not all mezcal is tequila. Hell, maybe you read it in the New York Times, USAToday, the Daily Mail, or the Chicago Tribune, or on VinePair, Thrillist, Chowhound, or Science 2.0. They’re all wrong. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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You Can Master the Strange Secrets of Mezcal!: Master this strange power! Sway others at will! This episode of Agave Road Trip shows you in just minutes how to use the mysterious power of Mezcal to influence the thoughts of others, control their desires, and make yourself master of every situation. Send no money now! Listen first and when you have this marvelous power at your command and you can work wonders, then decide what it is worth to you. You’ll make others love you; strengthen your own will-power; develop a magnetic personality; banish fear and worry; improve your memory; overcome bad habits; realize your ambitions; increase your salary. If you have an average active and intelligent mind, you can easily learn the secrets of Mezcal. Find out for yourself in this episode of Agave Road Trip! by Agave Road Trip
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The Difference Between Tequila and Mezcal - S2E10: What’s the difference between tequila and mezcal? Is all tequila really mezcal? Is all mezcal made by hand? These and other questions are answered in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Agave Road Trip helps gringo bartenders better understand agave, agave spirits, and rural Mexico. Your hosts are Lou Bank and Chava Periban. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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15 Days to Distill - S2E6: Many men and women in rural Mexico started learning to make agave spirits when they were 10 or 11 years old, from their parents. Then some learned in two weeks from a bunch of university students who randomly showed up in town. by Agave Road Trip
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Perlas Before Swine - S1E9: Dr. Roberto Zenit is a highly regarded professor at Brown University. Nonetheless, he speaks with us about his recently released study of las perlas, the process by which maestro mezcaleros use the bubbles in their agave spirits to measure the alcohol content and quality of the spirits. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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MEZcal or meZCAL? How Do You Pronounce It?: Chava and I sit down with a couple of copitas of mezcal … or, rather, he sits down with a copita of meZCAL and I sit down with a copita of MEZcal. And we fight over how to pronounce it, whether it’s important to follow the native pronunciation, whether it’s acceptable to correct someone else’s pronunciation, and whether it’s ever acceptable to order guac. This and more in this week’s episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
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Who Says It's Not Mezcal?: Mezcal can only be made from the heart of the agave. Or … wait? It can be made from the leaves? And sometimes that worm in the bottle isn’t just for tourists? What’s true in one community is not true universally, and the only absolute truths are the ones the Mexican government puts to paper … until they edit that document. Join us for the most confounding episode yet of Agave Road Trip! by Agave Road Trip
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MEZcal or meZCAL? How Do You Pronounce It?: Chava and I sit down with a couple of copitas of mezcal … or, rather, he sits down with a copita of meZCAL and I sit down with a copita of MEZcal. And we fight over how to pronounce it, whether it’s important to follow the native pronunciation, whether it’s acceptable to correct someone else’s pronunciation, and whether it’s ever acceptable to order guac. This and more in this week’s episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
26 min listen
Historically, Mezcal is Made with Steam: Read almost any of those “differences between tequila and mezcal” articles, and they’ll tell you that tequila steams their agave, mezcal roasts it underground. But in the cover to this week’s episode, you can see Chava and me sitting in the skeleton of a century-old boiler at an even older mezcal fabrica in Guanajuato. So when exactly does tradition start? We get the purists hot under the collar in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
19 min listen
Why Lou Says “Agave Spirits” Instead of “Mezcal”: Back in the 1990s, the Mexican government took legal control of the word “mezcal” away from the people who have shepherded mezcal traditions for hundreds of years. But legal control isn’t the same as moral control. But what does it mean to refer to an uncertified agave spirit as mezcal in the USA? This episode of Agave Road Trip is entirely about why I say “agave spirits” to refer in the USA to what would be called “mezcal” in the communities where these heritage spirits are made. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
16 min listen
How to Pair Mezcal With Food: I’m seeing a lot more restaurants expanding their Mezcal selections, and a lot more events pairing Mezcal with food. So what do you eat when you drink Mezcal? I asked a bunch of industry folks that question over the last several months, then coerced food, science, and nature journalist Rowan Jacobsen to dig through those quotes with me to add his own thoughts. It’s a smorgasbord episode of Agave Road Trip! Agave Road Trip is a critically acclaimed, award-winning podcast that helps gringx bartenders better understand agave, agave spirits, and rural Mexico. This episode is hosted by Lou Bank with guest cohost Rowan Jacobsen and insights and thoughts from Lanie Bayless of Topolobampo, Francisco Tapia of Tacovision, Grace Gonzalez of Tequila El Mayor, Mariana Alvarado-Garcia of Masazul, Kate Owca and Adrian Villarreal of Tahona, and mezcaleros Jorge Torres and Eduardo Angeles! by Agave Road Trip
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It Ain't Mezcal if it Ain't Certified: There's a Denomination of Origin for mezcal -- has been since 1997. The Mexican government gets to decide what is and what isn't mezcal. So if the Mexican government doesn't recognize an agave spirit as "mezcal," should we? It's another rhetorical episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
24 min listen
Margarita Time: The History of Mexican Spirits by Hungry for History with Eva Longoria and Maite Gomez-Rejón
26 min listen
Is Texas Messing with Sotol?: When people talk about mezcal and related agave spirits, they'll often lump in sotol. But it's not made from agave. But it is made in Mexico. But it's also now being made in Texas. And that's causing some waves. Is Texas messing with sotol? We skip through that minefield in this episode of Agave Road Trip! by Agave Road Trip
26 min listen
What is Agave? - S1E2: We give a nutshell explanation of how agave turns from sugar to alcohol and are joined on the occasion by maestro mezcalero Amando Alvarado Alvarez. We also talk about how growing agave helped a middle school in rural Oaxaca reduce violence in their community. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
15 min listen
La Luna Mezcal with Salvador Picazo Chavez by The Agave Social Club
59 min listen
25 + Martha Garza Vázquez / Cuero Viejo Mezcal: 25 + Martha Garza Vazquez Cuero Viejo We are joined by Martha Garza Vazquez the COO of Cuero Viejo Mezcal, produced in the town of Nombre de Dios in the state of Durango. Martha shares the history of Cuero Viejo, a vinata and mezcal brand her father drea... by Hey Hey Agave
81 min listen
Fantastic Fermentation - S1E5: We give a nutshell explanation of how agave turns from sugar to alcohol and are joined on the occasion by mezcalero Amando Alvarado Alvarez. We also talk about how growing agave helped a middle school in rural Oaxaca reduce violence in their community. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
14 min listen
Get Roasted - S1E3: That agave won’t just start fermenting, you know. You’ve gotta make it delicious for yeast before yeast makes it delicious for you. We talk with mezcalera Catalina Navarro Sanchez about how that’s done, then talk about how mezcalero Eduardo Angeles saved Santa Catarina Minas, Oaxaca, from drought. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
14 min listen
Ep. 350 Easy alfredo, pragmatic journaling, and flashing frog signs by Sorta Awesome
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Mezcalarrhea: Some People Think it’s Funny, But it’s Really Hot and Runny: There are often-repeated inaccuracies that cause the general public to greatly misunderstand Mezcal. I call them “mezcalarrhea.” You know, like Mezcal + diarrhea? Because it’s usually people talking out of their butt. And because it makes me laugh. It’s a hot-and-runny episode of Agave Road Trip featuring Dr. Steven Alvarez, professor at St. John’s University and Ismael Gomez of Laika Spirits and Cruz de Fuego Mezcal! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
19 min listen
The Difference Between Tequila and Mezcal - S2E10: What’s the difference between tequila and mezcal? Is all tequila really mezcal? Is all mezcal made by hand? These and other questions are answered in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Agave Road Trip helps gringo bartenders better understand agave, agave spirits, and rural Mexico. Your hosts are Lou Bank and Chava Periban. Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
25 min listen
Where Hot Hipsters Go To Meet Hot Hipsters (feat. Arielle Johnson): On today's episode of Ketchup Issues Dave, Nastassia, and The Rest are joined by Arielle Johnson. She talks a bit about her forthcoming book, Flavorama, and answers lots of listener questions about fermentation. Lacto Fermentation! Cold Fermentation! Cacao Fermentation! Plus: hydrocolloids, STEAM vs STEM, dishwasher cooking & how to troubleshoot a barbecue sauce. by Cooking Issues
72 min listen
Mezcal with Misty Kolkofen: Mezcal with Misty Kolkofen This week on Bartender Journey Podcast # 134 we talk with Misty Kolkofen from Del Maguey Single Village Mezcal about this intriguing, yet sometimes misunderstood, spirit. Take a listen the show with the player b... by Bartender Journey - Cocktails. Spirits. Bartending Culture. Libations for your Ears.
40 min listen
E12: Building a Catholic Memories Catalog by Barbatus Catholic Podcast
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Finding the GOOD in GOODBYE ?? by The Super Secret Bestie Club
39 min listen
Everyone Talks about Mezcal, but No One Drinks It: Yeah, okay, that title is intentionally misleading. I mean, everyone hasn’t heard of it — if they had, we wouldn’t continue to see articles explaining how mezcal is “having a moment.” And clearly someone is drinking it. I mean, you are, right? But … how deeply has it penetrated drinks culture in the USA? Or in Mexico, for that matter? And how can you get more of your customers to drink it? We run the numbers in this episode of Agave Road Trip! Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
21 min listen
The Tortilla Conundrum: Corn vs Flour by Hungry for History with Eva Longoria and Maite Gomez-Rejón
27 min listen
How to Solve Math Probs by Unladylike
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What A Jagweed: On today's episode of Aging Issue, Nastassia and The Rest wish Dave a very. Happy. Birthday. Dave and Nastassia fondly recall birthday parties past, and educate us on their fanciest easter egg treats: cascarones and panoramic eggs. Nastassia recounts her recent teepee ownership woes, and Dave struggles to say the word "carcinization." Plus, questions and answers about food. Have a question for Cooking Issues? Send us a voicememo while we’re all social distancing or ask in the chatroom. by Cooking Issues
60 min listen
Ep. 5 — Kai Cameron by Ayahuasca Anonymous
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Fast Mezcal and Slow Bars: The amount of time that mezcaleros take to make their spirits is an essential ingredient in the process. But it’s also in stark contrast to the amount of time that gringx bartenders have to share those agave spirits with their guests. What does that mean for those guests? And the future of those spirits? We’re running hot in this episode of Agave Road Trip! This episode is hosted by Lou Bank, Dr. Steven Alvarez of St. John’s University, and Ismael Gomez of Laika Spirits and Cruz de Fuego Mezcal. by Agave Road Trip
13 min listen
How to Welcome the Mezcal Curious: With all the press, all the talk, all the social-media posts, there are always people looking to find out what this Mezcal thing is all about. So what’s the best way to introduce them to these spirits? It’s a welcome-to-the-newbies episode of Agave Road Trip! by Agave Road Trip
23 min listen
E46: A Chat with Ryan Ayala by Barbatus Catholic Podcast
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Did Mezcal Save Fiestas, or Did Fiestas Save Mezcal?: The religious fiestas in rural Mexico are often colored by the heritage agave spirits made in the community — which makes for an especially fun night when those festivities also include fireworks and flaming toritos. In this episode of Agave Road Trip, we ponder the question: Did mezcal save the community fiestas, or did the community fiestas save mezcal? Find extra photos and related links at agaveroadtrip.com by Agave Road Trip
20 min listen
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