Did Toto create the most perfect pop song ever? According to Karl, "You can uncover a lot more beauty in just regular old pop music if you shift your focus from that first hit that it gives you— listen a little deeper and you’ll find neat stuff.” Although the three hosts disagree on the best Toto song, they all recognize that the shelf life of many Toto hits has reached remarkable, unexpected lengths. In the second part of the episode, the gang breaks down Toto's "Africa," a single so good that it still lights up the Internet today. But have the memes gone too far? Scott says, “It’s become a symbol for excess in pop music and that hurts me a little bit.” Tune in to hear more music and ideas, brought to you by Online Great Books.